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Neural Foundry's avatar

Outstanding argument on the disutility of moralizing languageitself. The abortion example is spot-on, moral facts peoplecreate impasses where preference-stackers would just talk tradeoffs. I worked on policy debates where invoking rights frameworks basically nuked any chance at pragmatic middle ground, people assumed we were arguingabout cosmic truths instead of resource allocation.

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I stumbled into this arcane debate via BS Brigade’s posts. Reading his posts and others I then encountered led me to the strong view that there is no good case for moral facts.

I could well be wrong. My main point is I cannot see how it matters.

Fact or preference - the fact advocates struggle to present a useful set of agreed such facts. Ones that would guide action on relevant matters.

I have used abortion as an example of something relevant. There are numerous coherent cases made that abortion is/is not OK. I cannot see that both outcomes can be facts - if only one is a fact how is that determined?

I say my position is my judgement.

What I get from the moral facts people is a need for certainly. They struggle with saying ‘I may be wrong but this is what I think I (or even other people) should do”.

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